Voting does nothing. U.S. politics is not straightforward and winning the "popular"(citizens) vote doesn't actually mean you are elected. Wealthy people dictate who wins. I think Eisenhower is the closest thing to a common person who became president and that was 70 years ago. Beyond that all politicians come from wealthy families and their seats are generally filled by their offspring when they retire or die. And these wealthy politicians decide who actually becomes president through the electoral college. It's a mess and right now only non wealthy people are suffering. Wealthy people can just sell their stocks and move their money into offshore accounts.

nothing ever changes or will change, they've been fighting over the same problems for the past 50 years,

on the funny side, it's funny seeing the top republican guy being an electric cars maker that has a space company when they've been making fun of electrical cars, not believe in climate change and almost every single flat earther is a republican.

Only if by rational you mean he projects a stable outward appearance for the public and is good at having most of the scary things he does swept under the carpet. He still does everything Putin does, he's just a lot better at it. At the end of the day I'd still rather live in the U.S. than Russia or China. In 4 years Trump will be gone but Xi and Putin will still be there in 20.

Not to forget it was the U.S. and their post WW II economic order helping to globalize supply chains. It was President Clinton who ushered China into the WTO and made China the ideal candidate for outsourcing because of their 30 times lower labor costs (at that time in early 2000s).

Experts Idiots say yes

Annex them!

Sophistry rocks. XD

When you say he made a fortune, are you factoring in his 400-million-dollar inheritance and then six bankruptcies?

Were his advisers there when he committed 37 crimes for which he was convicted and plenty others besides? Spoiler alert: some of his advisers were there for all of those crimes being committed.

Nothing about what he's done or been given has required him to be smart, so being smarter than the president is a low bar this time.

He surrounds himself with sycophants, so don't count on these magical "advisers" to save us from terrible decisionmaking.

Of course I vote for Democrats, Republicans keep messing things up and the Democrats have been the least worst choice for decades now.

I didn't say any of that? He's not listening to his advisers. Elon Musk is against the tariffs and I'm sure most people are at this point. I guess he's listening selectively to the ones in favor of tariffs.

Regardless what anyone thinks of trump, if someone is saying lets increase the prices for one side, and they counter with the same thing or seek their business elsewhere, it doesn't take a genius to figure out everyone is going to get hurt, americans included.

Stock markets crash (with people's pensions included), your groceries getting even more expensive then it already is etc etc etc.

And why punish making Harley Davidson's or whiskey more expensive for europeans, it's not really a thing most will suffer from or can't do without. And anything exported to america, they themselves will pay the price.

Unless i am wrong and i am missing the good of this?

If you think that being rich is a necessary qualification: Pretty much everyone richer than Trump thinks that he is wrong.
If you value education: Pretty much all economists think that Trump is wrong.
If you think that political merit qualifies: Check what Republican icons thought about tariffs.

Actually common sense is absolutely sufficient to figure out that most of his arguments and solutions are utter bs, he can't even correctly describe the issue he attempts to solve.
But sure, let's bet on that genius who wanted to fight COVID by inserting UV light in human bodies.

tariffs are something with centuries of history on why they are bad. if you don't know why or how, go study them. the orange guy doesn't know anything about politics, geopolitics, economy, business, business managing, and the list goes on.

if you live in the great states, can't wait to see how your wallet feels by the end of the summer/beginning of the school season.

There is old debate between a respected economist and a wealthy stock broker. The stock broker asks the economist "if you're so smart, why aren't you richer?" The economist replies "if you're so rich, why aren't you smarter?" The point is that these are not causal relationships.

If someone is rich because they stole, does that make them a good leader?

If someone made millions from 1 company that they headed, but bankrupted 10 others, should you invest in their next one?

The requirements for a good leader for a country include a lot of things and being rich might not even be one of them. Most of the respected country leaders and nation builders have not been rich, in fact often quite the opposite.

The aggression was always directed towards foreigners.
Out of sight, out of mind - so the vast majority of US citizens from all political affiliations weren't bothered.

This time it hit home, and in everyday things.Only the people who live day to day though will be affected.
The moderately well-off and ultra-rich won't bat an eye. They just need to stop their stock market losses and find something else to invest in.

I doubt any political change from within the US will come from this.
MAGAts are still happy as long as the people they hate are shafted.

It is somewhat poetic that the lower income Americans, who were the ones that voted overwhelmingly for Trump, will feel the most pain. They say that ignorance should be painful. Sometimes it is. I hope that the pain is deep so that this won't be considered a good idea for at least another 50 years.

Maybe this would be the case if the blame was placed correctly, but that is unlikely.

So, you hope that the poorest people suffer the most?

Do you mean 2 to 3 times more than recently? Is that accurate?

Don't worry, they'll just buy up all the things people have to sell when they can't afford to eat anymore. For example shares. The term fire sale springs to mind.

Actually it's usually billionaires who profit most of instabilities on the market, with lots of ups and downs. And lo and behold, Trump cancelled the new tariffs for 90 days with the exception of China. And the market goes up.

Wouldn't it be nice to be a billionaire with close connections to Trump, leaning in advance what kind of turmoils he'll cause next?

It was planned tho, create panic so people want to sell, these rich people already knew ahead, they placed puts on the market in advance. They'll always have the inside know, like with covid, everyone lost money except billionaires who made money. Now they gotta place calls since tarrifs have been paused for the next 90 days(meaning the market should be looking positive) and they'll make money, since the market will temporarily recover since trump keeps going back on what's being tariffed and what's not. After 90 days, I'm guessing tarrifs will go into effect and the market will go down again, and then trump will say something along the lines of "I only meant it on milk and textiles", after which market will recover, then he says actually add something to that to bring the market down, then he'll go, pausing tarrifs for 90 days. Then the cycle repeats. It's the biggest scam the world has ever seen so far.

It's his way of making money the "right way". It will make some suffer temporarily and lose their business, which is good for the puts he placed ahead of time, then he says he didn't mean that to double down on calls he made ahead of time.

What can anyone expect from someone who's allowed to run any kind of business or invest with 7 bankruptcies? If someone scammed people publicly on steam 7 times and someone still went to him to trade knowing all that.

Every rich person is the same, they'll claim they came from nothing or something except daddy had a gemstone mine or something.

Heck what was that billionaires name at the start of covid that was calling into tv to cry about the market crashing and him losing money when it wasn't crashing yet, only for the market to actually crash and him to turn like $25 mil into like $2.5 billion by betting on it crashing?
Found it, it was bill ackman. source

I do enjoy music from the 40's and 50's, Fallout really got me hooked. Most music these days is just garbage with like 10 different words at the most.

China 125%

I assume he don't wanted to fight at all fronts at the same time and to concentrate on the biggest oponent (china) for the moment.
And his rich friends were happy about the raising DAX etc. to make them richer because they known for sure what he do before the public got informed.

There's no reigning in. The whole thing has been planned exactly like that by Trump AND his buddies. Everyone in on it has made a fortune by selling high right before the crash and buying low during the crash and now either selling high again or just keeping. It's the double-entendre of insider trading. And since it has stirred up so much global drama, it also serves very well to divert attention away from the dissolvement of the US government agencies and all the other shit going on.

It really doesn't. And people don't seem to understand when the U.S. has recession/depression it affects the rest of the world as it is a leading economy. People wishing ill on the U.S. will get what comes to them in due time. It would be like me wishing ill of the Chinese economy which would also have a very negative impact on the U.S. Most people just don't seem to have even the most basic comprehension of global economics.

Well to be fair games like that try to be as realistic as possible with their predictions so it's not so surprising. I mean you can even say look at Star Trek and the tablets we use today for example. Nothing like that existed back in the 80's and 90's but they imagined it and incorporated it. That's not to say the people behind Star Trek invented personal tablets or that the people behind Black Ops invented the situation that we are in. The good thing about rare earth metals is they are found in a lot more places than China, people just need to get off that teat as the milk has soured a lot over the past 70 years.

I want to pass around that Stock Market is not Economy.